Bus Driver Getting a Coffee Mid Route

[Bennett000]

This is a bus driver getting a cup of coffee in the middle of his bus route. He was already late to begin with. Sadly this version I forgot the title overlays which are full of ttc facts

[theride]

It's a shame the driver did not use the coffee machine at the back of the bus, or the washroom. Oh yeah, he doesn't have that option. Also to remind you that the TTC is not public property. If you take a photo or image of an employee on TTC property you do need there permission. I heard that the Sleeping Collector and the Union are getting ready to file a suit against the guy that originally posted the photo.

[Bennett000]

Also to remind you that the TTC is not public property. If you take a photo or image of an employee on TTC property you do need there permission. I heard that the Sleeping Collector and the Union are getting ready to file a suit against the guy that originally posted the photo

Regarding TTC images, the TTC bylaws state that you are allowed to take pictures as long as it's not for profit. (check the little posting in the subway, there's a section about cameras) I double dare the TTC to sue me, I make less than half the money a bus driver makes! You'll also note that the image of the driver isn't clear enough to be identifiable.

It's a shame the driver did not use the coffee machine at the back of the bus, or the washroom. Oh yeah, he doesn't have that option

In response to the coffee machine/bathroom at the back of the bus, coffee can be be acquired when the driver is on a BREAK, not in the middle of a route. Bathroom breaks I can understand, I have irritable bowel syndrome myself, however coffee is only going to make the matter worse. On top of that had the driver said: "Sorry folks I have a personal emergency, I'll be back in three minutes" I might have had some sympathy. Had the driver not sauntered out from the coffee shop with a beverage in his hand, I might have had more sympathy.

I'm a cook, if I have orders to make I don't stop and get a beverage for myself, if I need to use the facilities, I hold it. I have glass ceilings just like TTC employees. Restaurant cooks in this city are usually not even entitled to basic worker rights. I haven't had a lunch break in the last five years, it's not a thing in kitchens. Let alone breaks every two hours!!

...take a photo or image of an employee on TTC property you do need there permission

Also mr. the ride, you used the adverb 'there' instead of the possessive adjective their.

[Bennett000]

Here's a link to TTC by law number 1
http://www3.ttc.ca/Riding_the_TTC/TTC_Bylaws.jsp

and a quote from the bylaw in case it's changed...

3.17 No person shall operate any camera, video recording device, movie camera or any similar device for commercial purposes upon the transit system without authorization.

3.18 Nothing in this by-law prohibits the posting of signs, official notices and information or the use of any camera, video recording device, movie camera or any similar device on TTC Property by the TTC or anyone authorized by the TTC.

you'll note "commercial purposes" in section 3.17

3.18 while granting permission with authorization does NOT mention anything about cameras without permission for non-commercial purposes.

I don't want to make money from my TTC video, I just want TTC reform.

[latinoboy1965]

Why don't you carry a thermos like I do at work. I carry my coffee and stop pull my cup and drink and go on.
this idiots at the ttc making a shitload of money can't they figure that riders need to go to work and don't have the time to wait for a driver to sip coffee.

[TdotO]

Also to remind you that the TTC is not public property. If you take a photo or image of an employee on TTC property you do need there permission. I heard that the Sleeping Collector and the Union are getting ready to file a suit against the guy that originally posted the photo

Regarding TTC images, the TTC bylaws state that you are allowed to take pictures as long as it's not for profit. (check the little posting in the subway, there's a section about cameras) I double dare the TTC to sue me, I make less than half the money a bus driver makes! You'll also note that the image of the driver isn't clear enough to be identifiable.

It's a shame the driver did not use the coffee machine at the back of the bus, or the washroom. Oh yeah, he doesn't have that option

In response to the coffee machine/bathroom at the back of the bus, coffee can be be acquired when the driver is on a BREAK, not in the middle of a route. Bathroom breaks I can understand, I have irritable bowel syndrome myself, however coffee is only going to make the matter worse. On top of that had the driver said: "Sorry folks I have a personal emergency, I'll be back in three minutes" I might have had some sympathy. Had the driver not sauntered out from the coffee shop with a beverage in his hand, I might have had more sympathy.

I'm a cook, if I have orders to make I don't stop and get a beverage for myself, if I need to use the facilities, I hold it. I have glass ceilings just like TTC employees. Restaurant cooks in this city are usually not even entitled to basic worker rights. I haven't had a lunch break in the last five years, it's not a thing in kitchens. Let alone breaks every two hours!!

...take a photo or image of an employee on TTC property you do need there permission

Also mr. the ride, you used the adverb 'there' instead of the possessive adjective their.

first off, you are correct, ttc by-law states that photography and filming is prohibited for "commercial" photography. This youtube vid is not commericial unless someone can prove the filmer is making money off of it..

However.. how do you know this driver is in fact "late".? Did you happen to see HIS schedule? Did you look at his "trump" unit to see if he was behind, ahead or ontime? And even if he WAS late... big freakin deal.. if he WAS late then initially it would not of been his bus you originally would of been on then, would it? In addition, you said he can aquire his beverages on his BREAK.. hmm.. ever think perhaps he isn't going to GET a break because he is busy transporting complainy whiners like you around? So he uses 1 or 2 minutes of your PRECIOUS time to get a drink to keep him awake and ALERT so he can at least try to get you to where you need to be at a decent time and safely instead of falling asleep at the wheel! Also, that's great, you hold it in if you have to use the facilities. You keep doing that and make sure you call me in a decades time when you all of a sudden start to have urinary problems. And you do know that BY LAW you are supposed to get 1/2 hour meal breaks every 5 hours right? And that is ontario labour law! I'd speak to your manager/boss and if nothing from them go straight to the ontario labour board, and I'm serious! Plus,, I'm not a TTC employee by any means, I just simply understand what bus drivers go through. I'm not all "pro-ttc" that you may think, but to rag on a driver for running for a quick coffee when you don't know if he's even gotten out of his seat in the last 8-12 hours is IMO simply selfish. Give me a break, grow up and find something else to do with your time than posting videos of drivers getting a cup of coffee!!

EDIT: I just watched this video. You know what.... I'm almost 99% certain that he went to use the WASHROOM.. which any driver of any transit agency can do ANY TIME THEY WISH IF THEY HAVE TO GO! Doesn't matter if they are late or not!! What usually happens in this case is a driver will go into a place to use the washroom, as he's walking past the counter he may as well kill two birds with one stone, he/she gets a drink as well, but tries to save time so as is walking by the counter tells the person at the counter ("I'll get a medium double double" - or whatever, and "I'll be right back").. goes, uses the washroom, comes out drink is ready and comes back on the bus, they are USING THE WASHROOM, the coffee/drink part takes like 10 seconds.. oh knows!!!

[lanalaro]

My favorite part of the vid

"...It's 5:30am on a Sunday morning..." RUSH HOUR!

[Bennett000]

I'm going to start this rebuttal with the bathroom issue, I would appreciate it if you'd bothered to read my previous post in which I was quoted as saying:

Bathroom breaks I can understand, I have irritable bowel syndrome myself, however coffee is only going to make the matter worse. On top of that had the driver said: "Sorry folks I have a personal emergency, I'll be back in three minutes" I might have had some sympathy.

The post I'm rebutting mentioned something about going to the bathroom and getting a coffee at the same time

I'm almost 99% certain that he went to use the WASHROOM.. which any driver of any transit agency can do ANY TIME THEY WISH IF THEY HAVE TO GO! Doesn't matter if they are late or not!! What usually happens in this case is a driver will go into a place to use the washroom, as he's walking past the counter he may as well kill two birds with one stone, he/she gets a drink as well, but tries to save time so as is walking by the counter tells the person at the counter ("I'll get a medium double double" - or whatever, and "I'll be right back").. goes, uses the washroom, comes out drink is ready and comes back on the bus, they are USING THE WASHROOM, the coffee/drink part takes like 10 seconds.. oh knows!!!

Firstly beverages only make bathroom visits worse, especially coffee. Secondly saving time was not something the driver was trying to do, I can infer this because of his slow unmotivated walk with a beverage back to the bus. Thirdly see my above quote on saying: "Sorry folks, personal emergency, be right back"

... get a drink to keep him awake and ALERT so he can at least try to get you to ...

On the subject of coffee as a stimulant, caffeine does NOT guarantee alertness, this link http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caffeine#Overuse provides more information. On top of that as I mentioned above, it only exacerbates bathroom breaks

nd you do know that BY LAW you are supposed to get 1/2 hour meal breaks every 5 hours right? And that is ontario labour law! I'd speak to your manager/boss and if nothing from them go straight to the ontario labour board,

This is my favourite part here, where labor law is brought up. I'm well aware of Canadian labor law! Mr. Bus driver and his extremely powerful union GUARANTEE his breaks and MORE. So you see, mr. bus driver has time to take breaks between routes to have coffee and use the bathroom. Again, in a bathroom emergency, I understand the need to pull over and go, what's wrong with courtesy?

but to rag on a driver for running for a quick coffee when you don't know if he's even gotten out of his seat in the last 8-12 hours is IMO simply selfish. Give me a break, grow up and find something else to do with your time than posting videos of drivers getting a cup of coffee!!

Firstly I doubt they work more than eight hours as they're protected by a powerful union, secondly I've worked in overnight diners doing long shifts of up to and occasionally over eighteen hours, with only a few QUICK trips to the bathroom. So you see, I couldn't care less if mr. bus driver hasn't gotten out of his SEAT in eight hours. Also if you'd like to facebook friend me you'll find that I have plenty of hobbies besides ragging on bus drivers.

*EDIT
The purpose of posting these pictures and videos is to illustrate problems and frustrations the public have with the TTC in order to make everyone's lives better. I don't think TTC employees want to go to work being hated by the city, no more than we want to have awful commutes to work. Saying it's childish whining undermines the democratic process. The TTC is funded by riders' funds and the municipal government. Through renting in Toronto I pay municipal taxes, and I pay my TTC fares, so do other riders. We need a voice.

[lanalaro]

My favorite part of the vid

"...It's 5:30am on a Sunday morning..." RUSH HOUR!

I mean come on! There is only 1 other passenger on board, and it's FIVE FUCKING THIRTY ON A SUNDAY MORNING? How late can he be? What makes you think he is late in the first place? Maybe he is early, jackass!

Buses leave the garage first thing in the morning with plenty of time to start their routes. He was probably being nice to pick you up AHEAD of service schedule!

[Bennett000]

How late can he be? What makes you think he is late in the first place? Maybe he is early, jackass!

as I mention in the video, I cannot prove that he's late, I'd have to have filmed a non partisan public clock, and the posted schedule at Avenue/Davenport where the bus picked me up all in one shot. it's too dark at 5:01am (when the bust was scheduled to arrive) to capture the signage, I will attach my attempts though...

Here is the ttc's online schedule: http://www3.ttc.ca/Routes/6/Southbound.jsp, again, I can't prove he was late without having filmed a public clock, but this at least how I know he wasn't early. I realize that schedules are vague by necessity (traffic etc) but for the month of August and Sep 2009 this bus was seldom ever earlier than five minutes late.

Also I feel it important to point out that Mississauga, our neighbouring community to the west, runs their transit system exclusively by bus. It was the wages earned by Mississauga Transit drivers that had the amalgamated transit union striking in 2008. In Mississauga, EVERY bus stop has a code and you can phone a TOLL FREE number and an automated voice tells you almost exactly how many minutes until your bus arrives. Also by the way, that strike was because Mississauga Transit drivers made a little LESS THAN $0.10 more than TTC drivers. Both wages are well over the $20/hr mark.

There is only 1 other passenger on board, and it's FIVE FUCKING THIRTY ON A SUNDAY MORNING?

So maybe there were only two of us, schedules still need to be maintained, what we're not important? We don't have to be anywhere because there's two of us? If I worked in a restaurant that had only two customers at one time and I used that as an excuse to cook slowly, or perform below my ability because there were only two people in the dining room I would be reprimanded.

There happened to be only two people that time, other times there have been more. I've heard stories of Bus Drivers getting McDonalds mid-afternoon on the Dufferin bus route!

So be my guest, swear at me, call me a jackass, write sentences all in capitals, no one has offered me anything but conjecture in this thread so far and insults.

[Potato Salad]

I can't believe your complaining about a cup of coffee or washroom break..
5:30am on a Sunday I can almost guarantee the route has to much time on it..meaning if he continues driving without stopping he will be way ahead of schedule and be called on the radio to stop..
So by him getting a cup of coffee or using the facilities for 4 min, he can continue to deliver you to your stop without any more unscheduled stops..meaning he arrived at the end of the route ontime......
This happens to me on a daily basis my drive always stops for coffee but i'm always on time...
Just for your information some drivers do not get breaks at all they drive for over 8hrs straight according to my driver..
You say you have IBS as well, well maybe you should drive a bus for 8hrs with all the bouncing around and see how long you can hold it..
This is a pointless thread you have created..

[Bennett000]

I can't believe your complaining about a cup of coffee or washroom break..

I can't believe you didn't read my post, just one above the post you just made in reference to the schedule of the bus. I'll paste it here in case you can't find it:

as I mention in the video, I cannot prove that he's late, I'd have to have filmed a non partisan public clock, and the posted schedule at Avenue/Davenport where the bus picked me up all in one shot. it's too dark at 5:01am (when the bust was scheduled to arrive) to capture the signage, I will attach my attempts though...

Here is the ttc's online schedule: http://www3.ttc.ca/Routes/6/Southbound.jsp, again, I can't prove he was late without having filmed a public clock, but this at least how I know he wasn't early. I realize that schedules are vague by necessity (traffic etc) but for the month of August and Sep 2009 this bus was seldom ever earlier than five minutes late.

so you see, this is how I knew the driver wasn't ahead, but was behind.

Just for your information some drivers do not get breaks at all they drive for over 8hrs straight according to my driver..

I don't get breaks, I'm still not sympathetic, however having read other posts on the forum I do believe it to be less cushy than I did at first.

This is a pointless thread you have created..

This thread is within the "video" segments of TTC stories, I posted a video at the top of the Topic, your above quote is incorrect.

[Potato Salad]

Even though you have a copy of the route schedule that the TTC has posted it does not mean that route has not had amendments made to the schedule..
If it has changed the driver would know and drive accordingly..
From what i've been told by the drivers I talk with the buses run on timing points, which means if the route is 38 min long, then the bus gets 2min to get to next timing point and the 3 min to next one and so on..
Sometimes my driver just can't kill the time they" TTC" have given that route..
So while it may have seemed like he was late, he most likely arrived at the end of the route on time..
I like to talk with my drivers and get information.., like why buses go by you OUT OF Service..if you would like to know why please reply..

[Bennett000]

Even though you have a copy of the route schedule that the TTC has posted it does not mean that route has not had amendments made to the schedule..
If it has changed the driver would know and drive accordingly..

so what you're saying is that routes change because of 'amendments', logistically it's not feasible to change all the paper signs the second a route is modified. Thats fair, I'll give you that.

However amendments are usually posted on the routes website thing no? They were last week-end when the queen car was disrupted at Dufferin... albeit not until 8:06am, and the notice wasn't removed until after the monday when the route was functional again...

This particular incident was a regular occurrence at this time in August/September of '09, the web-site was running at the time, it didn't mention anything.

If amendments to schedules are going to happen on a regular basis without notice being put up, what's the point of having publicly posted schedules?

[Potato Salad]

Again that's not the Drivers fault if management is not doing their job properly...
I don't know what else to tell you...Goodluck
But about the coffee thing I think you need to relax a bit or maybe take the bus before the one you get..if it bothers you that much..
It does not bother me at all..

[jay_s]

I just want everyone to know that I have seen this happen on more than one occasion as well and it infuriates me. I also want you all to know that I read every post up until this point before I decided to respond so I do believe that I have a good idea of the arguments on each side. Having said that, for me it still comes down to the same principle. If I'm on the TTC, I'm on it because I have somewhere to be and generally I need to be there at a certain time.

As a worker who earns an hourly wage, and is given breaks and a lunch period, you are responsible for performing whatever your task is for all time that is not a lunch or a break. If you can perform this task while drinking a coffee, I'm completely fine with you doing so, but don't take four minutes of my time to go and get that coffee. Obviously if you have to go to the washroom or you have some sort of emergency I can understand that. Those are isolated incidents and I don't blame anyone for those sorts of things.

It's not even the act of going to get a coffee that angers me, its the complete lack of regard for the fact that I pay for a service (quick and efficient transportation) and I get very little value for my money and the person providing the service couldn't care less. The other example that I can think of is sometimes when you're on the streetcar and another streetcar is passing, going the opposite direction the drivers will stop and chat. Talk with your buddy after work or give him a call on your lunch break, don't stop randomly and talk, I'VE GOT SOMEWHERE TO BE!

Think about it this way, when you're driving in a car and there's traffic, you get frustrated, everyone does because they aren't getting to where they need to go as fast as they could be. Unfortunately there isn't anything that we can do about traffic except take public transportation and encourage others to do so. Then, when we take public transportation as a sacrifice to be part of the solution as opposed to being part of the problem, we are still facing traffic concerns (on buses and streetcars without dedicated lanes) and we're slowed down by another force, bad customer service and a complete lack of respect.

I want to finish by saying that I know there are some spectacular TTC employees, it's just unfortunate that there are equally as many bad ones. As much as you want to stick together as a union, you have to know that supporting this kind of behaviour is just wrong.

[Potato Salad]

I see nothing wrong with it at all..
It's a stupid argument as long as you get to where your going on time and the BUS not YOU are on schedule then you have no right to deny a working man a drink..
I don't care if you get late for work because the driver took AGAIN me me me 4 min of YOUR time..
If the bus is on schedule and arrives at the end of the line on time, nothing to complain about at all... period.

[lanalaro]

I see nothing wrong with it at all..
It's a stupid argument as long as you get to where your going on time and the BUS not YOU are on schedule then you have no right to deny a working man a drink..
I don't care if you get late for work because the driver took AGAIN me me me 4 min of YOUR time..
If the bus is on schedule and arrives at the end of the line on time, nothing to complain about at all... period.

agreed!

[theoperator]

Bennett000 has irritable bowel syndrome. Yuck! I have a wonky back. What the hell has that got to do with the price of eggs? I stop for a coffee on my route only if I have the time ie; running just ahead of my schedual or if it is convienient to do so. I drive up to five hours at a stretch with no schedualed break in that time. You cannot abide me a crummy few minutes to run in for a cup? Are you so close to the line that a couple minutes are going to disrupt your day? You had the time and energy to sit there like a moron on an empty bus with a phone in your hand filming an empty street, so it sounds to me like you already have too much time on your idle hands, Bennett000. Besides, if a few minutes make you late, perhaps you should set your alarm a half hour earlier. Or is it that you always plan ahead of time what opertor's day you intend to ruin? Did you take the time to ask the driver if he were in fact late? Was he in fact on time after all and getting a coffee was perfectly proper? Or was it just another one of those anomynous, bereft of responsibility "gotcha" moments? At 530 on a Sunday moning, I can tell you without a doubt that the bus was not late and would in fact arrive at it's destination ahead of schedual. If you took the time to be sure of your facts instead of wasting time being a drama queen, you would know these things and it would make your transition from ignorance to enlightenment that much easier. Get a life already, Bennett000. And see a doctor about that condition of yours. I think it is making you bitter.

[lorryg]

I drive up to five hours at a stretch with no schedualed break in that time.

Really? Perhaps you should take that up with your union.

[jay_s]

Potato Salad wrote:
I see nothing wrong with it at all..
It's a stupid argument as long as you get to where your going on time and the BUS not YOU are on schedule then you have no right to deny a working man a drink..
I don't care if you get late for work because the driver took AGAIN me me me 4 min of YOUR time..
If the bus is on schedule and arrives at the end of the line on time, nothing to complain about at all... period.

Well apparently the people who sign your pay cheque do see something wrong with it because one of your union brothers has been suspended for it...

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blog ... nt=Twitter

Just drive the damn bus and get me to where I'm going!!! I pay (way too much) for a service, it's your job to provide me with that service!

[theoperator]

Really lorryg? When was the last time you pounded your car along the potholed streets of Toronto for five hours while holding your water? Do you know how unhealthy that is? Bladder infections, urinary tract problems not to mention the discomfort. How many smoke breaks do you take on company time in the six hours you work each Day? You see? "Ass"umptions make asses of us all. You, lorryg, are a prime example.

[lorryg]

Really lorryg? When was the last time you pounded your car along the potholed streets of Toronto for five hours while holding your water? Do you know how unhealthy that is? Bladder infections, urinary tract problems not to mention the discomfort. How many smoke breaks do you take on company time in the six hours you work each Day? You see? "Ass"umptions make asses of us all. You, lorryg, are a prime example.

Poor, operator. It sounds like driving a bus isn't for you. Better find another line of work.

Also, good example about making assumptions. You did make an ass out of yourself when you assumed that I smoke.

[geraldv3]

If the TTC were to suspend drivers for taking a coffee/washroom break, how many drivers would be left? I would guess less than 25% of the drivers would be left.

[bob noxious]

If the TTC were to suspend drivers for taking a coffee/washroom break, how many drivers would be left? I would guess less than 25% of the drivers would be gone.

Right. So what? And that's a bad thing? It's called culling the herd.

[geraldv3]

If the TTC were to suspend drivers for taking a coffee/washroom break, how many drivers would be left? I would guess less than 25% of the drivers would be left.

Right. So what? And that's a bad thing? It's called culling the herd.

It's called losing ALOT of service.

[Blackie10]

It's a shame the driver did not use the coffee machine at the back of the bus, or the washroom. Oh yeah, he doesn't have that option. Also to remind you that the TTC is not public property. If you take a photo or image of an employee on TTC property you do need there permission. I heard that the Sleeping Collector and the Union are getting ready to file a suit against the guy that originally posted the photo.

You smell like a rat, I bet you work for them. No one ever asks me for my permission to record me on thousands of TTC cameras.

[Good Citizen]

Guys - keep it civil. The 1 or 2 union members on this forum have urinary tract problems - research it, but like Bob Kinnear says, "It's bad, real bad."

The bus drivers should use the bathrooms at construction sites (plenty around the city), but that won't happen because we all know the truth. The bus drivers want Tim Horton's coffee... not to fight urinary tract infections.... they're selfish, lazy, arrogant jerks or harpies.

Treat your next TTC Operator the way they treat you - like garbage. Keep up the vids, pictures and good luck to Union 101 on their lawsuit. They got spanked by a "rider" who owned them on YouTube. Sweet.

[Potato Salad]

That's it you Idiot..keep fueling the fire..
Let it die down a for a while will ya, see if things are improving..
The more you antagonize the situation the worse it will become, nothing like backing a TTC employee in the corner...
Someone could get hurt and all just because someone snapped a photo or took a video, just give it a rest..

[lostfreedom]

Easy, to know if the bus driver was late or not check the bus route time schedule on a Sunday morning. It should tell you what time the bus should be at the station. From that you can calculate around what time it should reach your stop and how long he stayed there for.

[confused123]

So many coffee threads I don't even know where to post this.

Just had to share my experiences with the TTC today.

First driver, rush hour this morning, stops the bus with 2 passengers on board to grab a coffee on Pape. No pee break (I could see), just a coffee. Funny thing is, the place he decided to park was 4 blocks away from Pape station, which also has a Tim Hortons inside. Awesome job of blocking an entire lane during rush hour on Pape. In fact, he parked at the bus stop so that the other buses behind him couldn't stop to pick up or drop off passengers.

Then mid afternoon, another driver decided it was time for a Starbucks. Parked his bus 1/2 block down from Starbucks on Kingston Road, passengers on board, waited at least 5 minutes in line for a coffee, then waddled back to the bus. No pee break. Need I mention this stop is less than 10 mins from Victoria Park Station? And that right in the station is a coffee shop?

[imlovingIT]

So many coffee threads I don't even know where to post this.

Just had to share my experiences with the TTC today.

First driver, rush hour this morning, stops the bus with 2 passengers on board to grab a coffee on Pape. No pee break (I could see), just a coffee. Funny thing is, the place he decided to park was 4 blocks away from Pape station, which also has a Tim Hortons inside. Awesome job of blocking an entire lane during rush hour on Pape. In fact, he parked at the bus stop so that the other buses behind him couldn't stop to pick up or drop off passengers.

Then mid afternoon, another driver decided it was time for a Starbucks. Parked his bus 1/2 block down from Starbucks on Kingston Road, passengers on board, waited at least 5 minutes in line for a coffee, then waddled back to the bus. No pee break. Need I mention this stop is less than 10 mins from Victoria Park Station? And that right in the station is a coffee shop?

Driver must just like his starbucks! LOL...

[minion405]

The bottom line is a sense of responsibility.

Imagine all taxi fares are equal. Your taxi driver suddenly stops for coffee mid route without letting you know. Does this make sense?

[Potato Salad]

The bottom line is a sense of responsibility.

Imagine all taxi fares are equal. Your taxi driver suddenly stops for coffee mid route without letting you know. Does this make sense?

Ok but now imagine that your Taxi driver has 43 minutes to get you to your destination, and he/she can't speed now all of the sudden because of traffic and traffic lights he/she is now 5 minutes ahead of shedule would you rather him pull over and wait 5 minutes till he's back on shedule or can they grab a quick cup of joe or use the facilities??

[johnnotjustborn]

I had a similar exp only weeks before Sleeping Beauty was exposed. Both of these were on the same day .The driver of 22 Coxwell bus got out of the bus, went to a convenience store, got himself an Ice cream bar. Then I got on the 506 Carlton Streetcar and the driver stopped at a Coffee Time. I did send an email but no reply as yet from Customer Service.

Now, I am on a mission to get the guy at Victoria Park Stn. He starts at 6am but is busy chatting with the guy in the booth or talking to the ladies at the coffee shop. Old Man, retire or do some volunteer work if you're bored at home, don't waste my money

WE def need a transit riders union.

[Boeing Bomb]

WE def need a transit riders union.

You're kidding right? The current TTC Riders' Union is a FAILURE! I got the stupid president of that idiotic group banned from this forum.

If you want to make your own, go right ahead.

[happycamper]

Just a thought with all this garbage talk back and forth about a stupid coffee!!! If I were a bus driver I would be very embarrassed to have to say "excuse me folks, I have a personal emergency"...how stupid is that... and in most coffee shops, there is a sign that says "washrooms are for customers only"... so whats the big deal here??? use the washroom, and grab a coffee as a courtesy to the business...